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*** Rules & Guidelines ***
« on: July 14, 2006, 11:46:15 AM »
LLaMa Forum Rules:
  • No Tipping - No player naming, no tactics naming or discussion, no training naming or discussion
  • No Cheating - no editing, no 'scouting' programs, no reloading without saving, etc.
  • No Bragging
  • Do not ask for advice on which team to pick
  • Updates can only be posted after 3 seasons have been completed and only by members of the LLM Members user-group
  • Posters must make an effort to type in legible English.


For further explanation of any of the above see the What is LLM? link, the explanations below or feel free to ask.  One thing - these rules and guidelines have been developed over years of play and debate.  Ask questions, by all means, but the rules & guidelines will not be arbitrarily changed, so please don't try.

A big tip of the hat to the SI LLM forum and the LLM pioneers, without whom...

Don't let the SI forum's fearsome reputation put you off.  The regulars are friendly to those who understand the concept of LLM and respect the spirit of the forum, but can be a little rough on those who don't read and understand the rules.  You have been warned.

Frank hosted by Adam J Hepton.  Linked with permission.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2009, 11:43:40 PM by Keith »
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Note: Please don't send me PMs asking for "tips"
1. Use the "tipping" forums - that's what they're for.
2. I'm a LLaMa and I don't do tipping.
3. I'm crap.

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*** Rules & Guidelines ***
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2006, 04:11:55 AM »
Further Explanation of the Forum Rules

Points of Clarity:

The Rules pertain and apply to the forum.
The LLM Guidelines pertain and apply to our games.

LLaMas do not visit tactical or good player forums - this is against the whole ethos of LLM of "doing it yourself".  You can convert, but you can't do both.  However, non-LLMs are welcome to post as long as they respect the rules and spirit of the forum, although non-LLM game updates will not be allowed, for obvious reasons.

General forum etiquette applies here too; in general terms - be nice.  Let's try to keep trolling and flaming out of the forum.

Choosing a team:

The team you choose should be from the lowest playable league in your chosen country.  One league countries are acceptable as long as the standard is not too high.  If in doubt, ask Frank.

No Tipping
Because LLM players don't want advice on their games, preferring to work things out for themselves, tipping is akin to giving 'spoilers' and can ruin other players enjoyment and therefore any advice or tips is forbidden.

Player-naming:
Our games are supposed to be self-contained little 'worlds' and any outside help in finding players is regarded as cheating and revealing your own players is regarded as tipping.

As using random computer-generated players wouldn't solve the problem either (as well as removing the sense of realism this would do for some), because unless one's knowledge of players is encyclopaedic, then most of us wouldn't be able to distinguish a 'real' player from a 'virtual' one anyway - so in order to remove the temptation to 'player tip' it has proven most effective in LLM forums to completely ban player naming.  As also explained elsewhere there is no real need to give actual player names when describing your team's/players exploits, so this is not considered any particular hindrance.

Mistakes happen however, so if you inadvertently name a player, either edit it out yourself if you realise it, or a mod will do so asap.  Repeated player-naming, however, will be regarded suspiciously by just about everyone...

No tactics/training naming
Describing your formation or training methods could give hints to others about what works best, so as per player naming this is also regarded as tipping and is therefore not allowed.

No Bragging
Tempting as it may be to think you're the best manager ever, it is regarded as extremely crass and immature to boast about your achievements.  People who like to brag also tend to cheat, it is often found, and it also encourages a type of competitiveness that tends to result in others cheating too.  Tell us about your achievements, by all means, but leave the praise to others.

Updates:

1. New updates can only be started once you have completed three seasons (of your career, not with one club)
2. Only one update thread per career.  One career per thread.
3. Keep it short - this is LLM, not FM stories.  Individual game summaries should be avoided, but may be posted for Cup Finals, play-off games and important games which have a direct bearing on your team, e.g. relegation deciders.
4. No tables (a one line summary of your team's final position is ok though)

No Flaming/Trolling
One of the best things about the LLM community is the banter and it is a major factor in why the community has remained so strong for as long as it has.  Some newbies mistakenly take this banter as hostility and sometimes react badly to the perceived 'attack', which then tends to result in reciprocal flaming from the offended LLaMas.  Before you react to a perceived affront, think about what is being said,  bearing in mind the above, before you post.  However, if you genuinely believe you are an innocent victim of unfair abuse, report it to the mods and any necessary action will be taken to resolve the problem.

LLaMas themselves are sometimes guilty of being too quick to chastise newbies for genuine misunderstandings or are overly aggressive in pointing out their mistakes.  We know some have had to listen to the same old shite for years, but for many who visit the forum this will be their first encounter with LLM and therefore we ask that LLaMas be patient with newcomers who don't understand the ways of the LLaMa yet.

Use of English
Use of correct English is appreciated, as English may not be the first language of many posters and they may find it difficult understand poorly spelled and worded sentences.  Text speak will not be tolerated.

Violations of the Forum Rules
Mistakes happen and we understand that.  Most of the time, a rule violation will result in a mod editing the offending post with a gentle reminder to be careful in future.

Repeated or gross violations will result in anything from a posted 'stop it or else' type warning, or if we feel it is necessary anything up to and including a ban.  As we want to maintain a friendly atmosphere, we hope this won't be necessary...

Deliberate wind-ups, p*ss takers, Basils and plurks will not be given the same friendly welcome as genuine posters and will be warned and banned without hesitation, if necessary.


Remember - because LLM players don't wish to receive hints or tips on their games, the point of these rules is to protect players from 'spoilers' which can ruin their enjoyment of the game.  Bear this in mind and you won't go far wrong.

Quote
From the SI LLM forum rules, with thanks.

G.A's three ways of playing LLM

1) Choose a team. Play the same team until you've won everything you can, regardless of how long it takes, or until you're sacked. Then start a new game.
2) Choose a team. Play until your reputation attracts the interest of ever increasingly bigger teams; change clubs as and when you're offered jobs until you're in charge at Real Madrid, Juventus, Man Utd or a World Cup winning manager with San Marino.
3) Choose a team. Do crap. Get sacked. Wait for another team. Do crap. Get sacked. Wait for….ad infinitum.


« Last Edit: November 12, 2009, 05:42:16 AM by Keith »
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Note: Please don't send me PMs asking for "tips"
1. Use the "tipping" forums - that's what they're for.
2. I'm a LLaMa and I don't do tipping.
3. I'm crap.

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*** Rules & Guidelines ***
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2008, 07:33:19 PM »
A brief summary of some of the major LLM Guidelines.

Please note that these are not 'rules' - the forum rules are stated above - but guidelines to help players get a feel for what is considered 'realistic' in LLM.
  • No cheating.
  • Use scouts to find players (i.e. do not use the Player Search screen).
  • Attribute masking should be used.
  • Job centre should be used to find staff.
  • Players must be scouted before they can be signed.
  • The Tactics Creator is more realistic than sliders, but feel free to mix and match both.
Please see the FAQ thread For more information on the LLM guidelines.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2009, 04:30:32 PM by Keith »
[SR] Sonicrealms Racing

Note: Please don't send me PMs asking for "tips"
1. Use the "tipping" forums - that's what they're for.
2. I'm a LLaMa and I don't do tipping.
3. I'm crap.